
Deliberation Ethics (DE)
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—Yoggist Ethics from Deliberation (DE)—
During deliberation, interlocutors evaluate arguments according to shared standards of reasoning. Arguments presented need not be fully derived but rather by nature of deliberation, rely on shared reasons others consider.
This consideration of others reasons is justified by deliberation giving all members input and assuming their reasons and ideas have value. These norms are presupposed as valid within the context of deliberation.
Not only are these norms valid within the context of deliberation, but if you give arguments not fully derived from first principles but rather justified by the nature of deliberation, these arguments are as a premise, justified by your interlocutor's acceptance of your reasons, and your acceptance of theirs.
If your interlocutor gives you such an argument, then that argument again as a premise is only justified because you value their reasons.
To later try and devalue the reasons of your interlocutor arbitrarily, is to forfeit this premise, invalidating the justification of the arguments you gave them and they gave you.
To argue with a landlord who then decides to evict you because you argued against him too well, is for him to abandon deliberation and reject the norms that justify the consideration of his reasons in the first place.
Imagine either arguing it's moral to give money to the poor based on “human dignity”, or accepting such a persuasion. To later reject the norm of human dignity or that others reasons have value to you, is to reject the very shared reasons that justified the argument.
—Fairness as a Premise of the Arguments—
To be clear, the arguer involved with deliberation isn't presupposing the norms of fairness, of others' reasons having value, not in any universal way.
Instead, such norms are presupposed as a premise of the arguments given by the arguer, and arguments recieved and accepted by them. To reject the norms is to forfeit argumentative force in the context of cooperative deliberation, and to forfeit the justification of arguments granted from said deliberation.
Therefore, acceptance of arguments through cooperative deliberation, where arguments given and recieved are not fully derived from first principles but rather justified through the acceptance of shared reasons, presupposes such a fairness principle universally.
To reject the principle that others' reasons have value, is to forfeit argumentative force and the justification of any arguments you have made, and those you have accepted; a self-contradiction.
—Fairness implies Anti-Abuse—
The fairness implied by accepting others' reasons as valuable, is to accept others' reasons and thus their interests as having normative force over arguments that can apply to you.
The reason for this is that by accepting others' reasons as valid as a premise of your own normative arguments, is to accept their reasons as normative in regards to your argument, or the basis of the normativity in your own normative arguments or similar that you yourself accept.
This is the presupposition of the normative force of interests. Actions that inherently subordinate others' interests are inconsistent with this standard, as they invalidate the reasons given by others. This is because to present a standard entirely inconsistent with the value of your interlocutors' interests, is to prevent deliberation entirely. Attempting to instead fully derive the standard from first principles, falls into the trap of Justification Ethics.
So any normative argument brought about not by full derivation but instead through mutual cooperative deliberation, must accept the normative value of both parties' interests, as a premise of any arguments given during deliberation. To later reject this value is to forfeit argumentative force and reject the very arguments you already accepted during deliberation, a contradiction.
This then implies the Anti-Abuse Principle:
—The Anti-Abuse Principle (AAP)—
Actions that are intrinsically frustrating to another's non-abusive fulfillment of interests, or inherently subordinate another's interests, constitute abuse, and are thus illegitimate.
Actions that proportionately defend against abuse, or inhibit conduct that is inherently frustrating of interests, are legitimate insofar as they constitute self-defense.
—Argumentation Ethics—
Argumentation Ethics is an argument by Hans-Hermann Hoppe. This argument is the idea that the Non-Aggression Principle is presupposed by the norms of argumentation, and thus it is impossible to argue against the NAP or argue for norms inconsistent with the NAP during argumentation, without a performative contradiction.
The problem most commonly pointed out is that appealing to a specific rule within a specific context or activity, does not imply that rule as a universal law outside the context.
For example, playing chess presupposes that if the King is one move away from defeat, the game is over. To reject this is to not play chess, but playing chess doesn't imply the King being one move away from defeat somehow applies outside of the game of chess.
Another problem of Argumentation Ethics is that it cannot on its own invalidate arguments against the NAP; it only attempts to conclude the arguer of the arguments is performatively contradicting themself. If someone derives something inconsistent with the NAP, via a deductive argument, that deduction may follow from its premises and the truth value of the premises has nothing to do with whether the arguer is contradicting the norms of argumentation.
—Deliberation Ethics is better than Argumentation Ethics—
Argumentation Ethics tries to say the arguer presupposes the NAP themselves, which falls into the trap of trying to universalize the norms of a particular activity.
Yoggist Deliberation Ethics instead does not make claims against the arguer, but rather against their own arguments, and the arguments they accept as part of cooperative deliberation.
As such, it is immune to the universalization problem, as your interlocutor's reasons must be valuable for the arguments they give you and you accept, to be valid.
Thus, if you ever accept arguments that have not been fully derived from first principles but rather as part of the norms of cooperative deliberation, to then arbitrarily discredit the reasons of others is to contradict premises you yourself accept, thus it is to contradict oneself.
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—Deduction of Anti-Subordination through Deliberation—
–Premises:
(P1): Arguments justified through cooperative deliberation rather than full derivation from first principles, are justified based on acceptance of your interlocutor's reasons as meaningful.
(P2): For another's reasons to be meaningful in the context of deliberation is for them to be accepted as applicable for proving normative claims.
(P3): Acceptance of arguments that are themselves only justified by a specific basis, requires acceptance of that basis as a standard.
(P4): If an argument is accepted on the basis of another's reasons, to reject those reasons solely because they belong to the interlocutor while retaining the argument justified by them is to contradict the acceptance of that argument.
(P5): To accept a reason as applicable for proving a normative claim is to accept the normative force of that reason over actions to which the normative claim applies.
(P6): To prevent an interlocutor from having their reasons considered as applicable to actions to which those reasons provide normative force, is to prevent those reasons from functioning as normative reasons in the deliberation.
–Logic:
(L1): From (P1 + P2), arguments justified through deliberation are justified based on acceptance of your interlocutor's reasons as meaningfully applicable for proving normative claims.
(L2): From (L1 + P3), acceptance of arguments justified through deliberation presupposes acceptance of your interlocutor's reasons as being applicable for proving normative claims.
(L3): From (L2 + P4), to reject your interlocutor's reasons solely because they belong to your interlocutor, while retaining an argument accepted on the basis of those reasons, is contradictory.
(L4): From (L3), an interlocutor cannot consistently accept the normative force of another's reasons as a basis for an argument and then arbitrarily reject the normative force of those reasons.
(L5): From (L4 + P5), an interlocutor who accepts another's reasons as applicable for proving normative claims must accept the normative force of those reasons over the actions to which those claims apply.
(L6): From (L5 + P6), preventing an interlocutor from having their reasons considered as applicable to actions to which those reasons provide normative force, contradicts the normativity accepted through cooperative deliberation.
(L7): From (L6), acting in a manner that prevents an interlocutor from having their reasons considered as applicable to actions to which those reasons provide normative force, invalidates the normative value of those reasons within the relationship.
–Conclusion:
From (L6): Actions that prevent another's reasons from having normative force over actions to which those reasons apply are inconsistent with the presuppositions of cooperative deliberation.
Therefore, actions that inherently subordinate another's reasons by acting inconsistently with the idea that their reasons are applicable to justifying normative force, is inconsistent with the presuppositions of cooperative deliberation.

